Response to realbuckyball on a Video he Shared and Used to Conclude that Mohammed Didn’t Exist.

Sorry for starting a new thread, for some reason I was unable to post a response to the original post. This is in response to a video posted by buckyball in which he contended that I couldn’t refute ONE of the claims made by Robert Spencer in a video that he posted in the first page of the comments of this article (you can watch the video by going to the first comment page). I took the time to refute ALL of the claims..
So I finally got around hearing the video that you posted by Robert Spencer and his claims that Mohammed didn’t exist. Let me start by saying that from your writing I had wrongly assumed that you were logical, rational, and methodical in what is constituted as a proof or evidence upon which one could firmly believe in the conclusions presented. Throughout your comments and responses, you had referred (and perhaps others) to the Gospel, and the Quran alike as fairy-tales and I can’t resist but to mention that all what Robert Spencer presented in this video was nothing but a fairy-tale that has no basis whatsoever. The difference is that I will go through all the items here and share with you why I believe that they are fairy tales unlike YOU who opted to use this video to support your claim that the Quran is a fairy-tale (a mere opinion of a single person who chose to think that his analysis is the basis of an entire religion – I urge you to read the criticism section of his biography page in Wikipedia) :).. This article is also meant to be educational in nature to every reader on some of the theological aspects of Islam.
Did Mohammed Exist? It is sad that the question is even posed. Yes he did exist and he is the prophet of the second largest religion in the world (universal religion) with 1.8 billion followers in the world today. Mr. Spencer demonstrated time after another in this video that he doesn’t know much about Islam or the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). His Video could be summarized as follows:
• Mohammed didn’t exist and was created (no historical basis that he existed)
• Islam was created to support a political agenda to expand the empire at the time
• Islam doesn’t teach universal brotherhood, love and peace like other religions do (cited 98:6)
• Quran was not collected until 60 years after the death of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him)
• The Prophet’s tradition was not collected until 125 years later (first biography of the prophet). Huge material was made up and it was a lie that spread
• Tradition doesn’t talk about what Prophet did with the leap month up until 627 when abolished (Arabs used to add that month to correct for a lunar calendar)
• There are no instances in which non-Muslims enjoyed equal rights under Islamic rule (No Equality)
• Islam contradict constitutional freedom rights
Let me start addressing those points one by one. Please note that I don’t claim to be a scholar or a person of substantial knowledge in the faith so with my modest knowledge, I was shocked to see the preposterous claims laid out in this video.
• Mohammed didn’t exist and was created (no historical basis that he existed)
He did exist. Mr. Spencer talks about history and historical evidence and fails to address a crucial and elemental point of what he makes of the Quran – the one big miracle of Prophet Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). Suffice it to say that this book is a challenge to the entire humanity to find a single contradiction in it throughout its 600 pages. The book that has both scientific evidences and prophecies that no other book had – I am talking about tens of those. If Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) didn’t exist, where did this book come from? Please don’t just foolishly and naively say that books can be written because this is not a book (any book); this is a book that humanity is challenged to find a single contradiction in it for the past 1400 years ago but hasn’t been able to!
Now to add to the above, aside from the Quran and “historical records” that a lot of people doubt are accurate (and by the way Mr. Spencer apparently relies on those handpicked, carefully selected records in making his points), what else could be presented to confirm that Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) did exist? For one, I and many other in the Muslim world come from the lineage of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). It is an honor beyond imagination! However, this lineage is kept throughout time in a clear and manifest record. Each descendent of the prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) has the tree that traces his or her lineage to the prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). This offspring of the prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) is all over the world today as one could image but all can be validated to the source. In every generation these records and updated and are well kept. It is one thing to argue that history is “written by the powerful” but it is another thing to tell a man that his father “is not” or didn’t exist! Ironic isn’t it?
• Islam was created to support a political agenda to expand the empire at the time
Mere theory and has not basis. Mr. Spencer just illustrated why he thought so which none of it made sense by the way. I’d rather focus on something worthwhile commenting on.
• Islam doesn’t teach universal brotherhood, love and peace like other religions do (cited 98:6)
This is the only time that Mr. Spencer quoted from the Quran (thanks God!). Not sure how he came up with this conclusion. The verse he cited is shown here for reference (verse 6 but I am pasting the whole chapter for you to judge – obviously Mr. Spencer wouldn’t share with you the context the verse was revealed nor the intent of it). As shown below, this is addressing the disbelievers who disbelieved after they ahve received the scripture and the truth from God to worship him alone and after all this clear evidence they were given, they disbelieved. Those Allah says are the worst creature (in comparison to the best creatures in the sight of Allah and those by the way include Muslims, Christians and Jews who are on the monotheistic belief of God). I can go and write pages on Islam and brotherhood, love and peace but I want to address the claims that Mr. Spencer had in his video that folks like you yourself USE to come to the conclusion that Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) didn’t exist!
Those who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists were not to be parted [from misbelief] until there came to them clear evidence – (1) A Messenger from Allah, reciting purified scriptures (2) Within which are correct writings. (3) Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. (4) And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion. (5) Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. (6)Indeed, they who have believed and done righteous deeds – those are the best of creatures. (7)
• Quran was not collected until 60 years after the death of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him)
Mr. Spencer mentioned that the Quran is mentioned in the Islamic books that it was collected during the third Caliph, Othman may Allah be pleased with him some 28 years after the passing of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). This is another incorrect and I would have said misconstrued, but the truth is it was deliberately said to create confusion and doubt in the hearts of many. The simple truth is that the Quran was COLLECTED during the Prophet’s time (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). It was also RECORDED and REVIEWED by the Prophet HIMSELF (You could imagine the importance of preserving the word of God!). It would be naive of an ordinary person to think that what is in his mind and heart would be preserved after his demise, let alone the prophet of God (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). So the fact is that the Quran was Collected and Recorded during the time of the prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). Then, what is this story that it was collected during the time of Othman (the third Caliph). As Mr. Spencer mention, the Islamic empire expanded greatly during that time so what happened was naturally newly entrants to Islam learned the Quran and doctrine from people of knowledge and memorizers of the Quran who happened to be there to teach people the affairs of their faith. An effort had not be done by then to accompany every mission with a recorded book (Large number of Muslims at the time memorized the Quran in its entirety). The locals however were learning the Quran but started to record it in their own dialects which alerted the Caliph that this could be an issue in the way of preserving the holy book. Therefore, he ordered all the written texts in the different dialects be collected and burned and instead furnished a single copy that was to be the only one that is distributed throughout the empire. Is it possible that this copy could have been different from the one that the prophet collected? NO. After the death of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him), the first Caliph, Abu Baker, Collected all the different records in which the Quran was recorded (written on leather and others on bones). He passed it to Omar (2nd Caliph) who in turn passed it to his daughter Hafsa (My ALLAH be pleased with all of them). Othman (3rd Caliph) got this particular copy that was the same memorized by the masses at the time to be recorded and sent out to 4 cities of the Muslim world at the time.. This is the story of the preservation of the Quran.  Also, bear in mind that people memorized this book and some memorizers exist until today that have approval traced back to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) himself (i.e. approved by a teacher who was approved by his teacher traced back to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him)). I personally know man (not to mention that are 10s of millions today that have it memorized but not authenticated by a teacher who learned it traced to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him))… Moving on to the next item!
• The Prophet’s tradition was not collected until 125 years later (first biography of the prophet). Huge material was made up and it was a lie that spread
Again and again, incorrect information. Based on those claims, the naive and the ignorant would truly think that this is the truth about Islam and Prophet Mohammed (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). The prophet’s tradition (Hadith) was memorized also by the companions of the prophet and those who followed them. The first generation had the tradition memorized not through active memorization but also through practice as they did EVERYTHING that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) instructed – no wonder they were victorious in their affairs not just through the expansion of the Islamic state but through the purification of their souls and how they transformed to a civilized society at a time where Arabs were truly tribal and barbaric. This tradition began to pass from the first generation to the next and while Mr. Spencer claims that the tradition wasn’t collected until 125 years later, the truth is that it was recorded since the time of the prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). What was gathered as collections thereafter qualified the tradition or Hadith based on their authenticity. The traditions are narrated through a chain of narrations. This chain of narrations (people who narrated from the prophet) are classified in terms of their trustworthiness and credibility. If in the chain of narration there was a person who had questionable character, then that particular narration is discounted. If there exists a person who is not known to have exhibited any questionable character but rather was not known enough through people who could firmly attest to his worthiness, then that tradition became an OK (good) tradition but is not considered AUTHENTIC. The third category which is the Authentic is the one with a KNOWN chain of narration of trustworthy people who were never known to have lied, joked about the matter of the faith, etc… Mr. Spencer is not aware of these details. The material that he refers to as a lie was nothing but the exercise of collecting the authentic tradition not to differentiate it from “fake” traditions but rather from traditions that came through people who were not FULLY vetted (not through knowing that those were lies – that generation was a different scale of integrity and personal conduct)..
• Tradition doesn’t talk about what Prophet did with the leap month up until 627 when abolished (Arabs used to add that month to correct for a lunar calendar)
Incorrect and Deceiving again! The Hijri calendar that Muslims use actually come from the word Hijrah which means migration and it marked the migration of the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. There were no leap calendar additions to the lunar calendar thereafter. Prior to that the call to Islam in Mecca was limited and was mostly done in secret. The Islamic State started thereafter. Mr. Spencer says that leap months were added until 627 but there is no record of what the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) did during that month since the acts of worship like fasting the month of Ramadan is tied to the calendar and moves with the calendar. Answer to that is, Calendar started in 622 rather and hence whatever compensation you mention was nullified thereafter not 5 years later.
• There are no instances in which non-Muslims enjoyed equal rights under Islamic rule (No Equality)
I really won’t bother to try to convince you in this regard because the renaissance that the world had seen through the ruling of the Muslims is only apparent to those versed with “History”. Suffice it to say that Jews for one had this to say about their time under the Islamic ruling (check out the Golden Age for Jews in the Middle Ages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain)
• Islam contradict constitutional freedom rights
What does Mr. Spencer and you for that matter rely on to say that Islam contradicts freedom rights? Saudi Arabia? I told you in a prior post, the government there is the biggest scam in the History of Islam so I would not use it as a reference when generalizing about Islam. Could you quote anything from the Quran that validates this claim?
In conclusion, you have contended that I haven’t not addressed the claims of Mr. Spencer and that I CAN’T. I didn’t have to do much here but listen to the video and write this response to show the ignorance of Mr. Spencer and his lack of knowledge about Islam and those who use him as an authority and reference to conclude that Islam is a violent religion and that Mohammed didn’t exist (a joke for those who read my response with an open mind).. I hope you re-read this post with an open mind and heart and learn not to rely on journalists and historians on forming your own opinions. Always validate and dig for the resources and SOURCE used to form an informed opinion. May God guide us all to the straight path and I apologize for the lengthy post!

 

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